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Gingrich on Church and State, Or, As Always, Newt Gingrich Is The Only Political Figure Who Says Anything Worth Thinking About

He saw that as the Bible requires Christians to bear witness to the Truth, so too does the Declaration of Independence require Americans to bear witness to certain self-evident truths.

To be sure, the Truth of the Bible is not identical with the truths of the Declaration. But the two orders of truth do overlap, and where they overlap, they powerfully reinforce each other. Indeed, the Declaration assumes many of the central teachings of the Bible.

When our Declaration asserts “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”, it makes some key assumptions.

It assumes that God is sovereign over the universe.

It assumes that God created man.

- Newt Gingrich, from the “Liberty University Commencement Address

Strictly speaking, I don’t think Gingrich is quite right here. Jefferson uses the phrase “Nature’s God” elsewhere precisely to distance these “inalienable rights” from “God” proper. The American Constitution is a very secular document, and the religious beliefs of its Framers – Deists for the most part – are anathema to Protestants, Catholics, Jews and Muslims alike.

I’m not saying this to say Newt is lying, or that America is meant to destroy Christianity or anything like that. I just don’t want to simplify our history for you, and let you think there are easy answers. In fact, what makes the rest of Gingrich’s speech so compelling is that he does not allow for easy answers about the relationship of religion and the state:

The Founders considered religion a great benefit to society. They had a very straightforward belief that the purpose of government was the protection of liberty, and that the maintenance of liberty inevitably required virtue among its citizens. The “pursuit of Happiness” was actually a Scottish enlightenment phrase meaning virtue and wisdom.

And if virtue was to survive in the American experiment, it would require “true religion”, which was that religion which cultivates the virtues necessary to the protection of liberty.

Implicit within this vision of the Founding Fathers is a pluralistic sensibility. Any true religion would be therefore deserving of the respect of the government, which would include the freedom to express in public the moral principles of such a true religion.

Constitutional self-government requires personal self-government; the more the government can rely on its citizens, the less it will need to govern them because they will govern themselves.

This belief that religion was an indispensable support of republican government was to be found throughout the founding generation.

Its strongest and clearest statement is to be found in George Washington’s “Farewell Address”. He said:

Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens.

It is this kind of subtlety that no candidate on the Democratic or Republican side can match right now. Gingrich moves from almost saying “the Christian God underlies the Declaration of Independence” to “virtue and wisdom” were hallmarks of the Scottish enlightenment that informed how the Founders thought about religion. The message is clear for those who think atheism is a good thing: if America is atheist, there will be no virtue in civic life. None whatsoever. In fact, the lack of virtue from religion will mean the death of the intellect.

But religion conceived rightly – “true religion” – ironically leads to an acceptance of all religions by those who can govern themselves. In other words, the test of a true religion is how the practitioners of it behave: if they suicide bomb and raise money for terrorists in order to throw another nation “into the sea,” as they may say, that sort of thing is probably not going to come under “true religion.” And Gingrich beautifully takes apart the Wahhabi ideology as not treating anyone as equal, and thus not respecting the fundamental tenet of the Declaration.

I can’t begin to express to you how good this rhetoric is. In an address meant for a fundamentalist Christian audience, Gingrich has managed to talk to those who might be more secularly inclined to see the good religion has, as the tolerance an atheist might demand can only come from religion. Gingrich shows how the American order has a nice little system for showing how religion is judged objectively by the government – it must promote “civic virtue” – and thus shows how PC nonsense is a break from the Founding, even if one conceives of the Founding as secular. For political correctness is identity politics without necessitating virtue; it is tolerance used to justify intolerance. He also brings back one of my favorite themes, that of equality, and shows that it is about treating people with dignity, and that is the fundamental flaw of the brand of Islamism we are fighting, as well as the terrorists. Dignity for them only comes through violence.

Which brings us to how the modern secular American order and the Biblical order agree: both seek peace, and realize that peace has a lot to do with justice, and justice involves standing up for each other. I can’t think of a more positive or beautiful way of rendering why our religious diversity is important, and I am really stunned this speech is not getting more attention.

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Filed under: american politics, Christian, conservative, Muslim, newt gingrich, Religion

Dobson says he will not back Giuliani in 2008


WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Religious conservative leader James Dobson said on Thursday he would not vote for 2008 Republican presidential contender Rudolph Giuliani under any circumstances because of his support for abortion rights and his three marriages. Dobson, head of the influential Colorado-based group Focus on the Family, said Giuliani was not suited for the White House. Dobson said he would be willing to sit out the November 2008 election if Giuliani is the Republican presidential nominee. “I cannot, and will not, vote for Rudy Giuliani in 2008,” Dobson wrote in a commentary posted online at the Web site worldnetdaily.com. Given a choice between Giuliani and the Democratic nominee, he said, “I will either cast my ballot for an also-ran — or if worse comes to worst — not vote in a presidential election for the first time in my adult life.”

I would have to agree with Dobson on Giuliani. Not necessarily over every issue. But over the fact that he in my opinion is not the right man for the job. I do how ever have a favorite. And it shouldn’t really be a secret at this point. Fred Thompson. There is a man who is fit to lead this country. Not just against terrorist or any threat near – far. No Fread is that kind of conservative we have been needing since Reagan. Bush was the man at start. But somewhere along the way he revealed his softer under belly to the democrats. You could say Bush blew all chances for respect every time he spoke. Fred Thompson…. 08
Anybody else is likely another let down.

Filed under: Christian, conservative, elections, Fred Thompson, Giuliani, News, Presidency, Republicans

Christian conservatives pledge support for ‘08 Thompson bid

Washington Times Several leading Christian conservatives say they will rally to former Sen. Fred Thompson, who they expect to announce “in a matter of weeks” that he will seek the Republican nomination for president next year.
“It’s not ‘if’ but ‘when,’ he will announce,” one Protestant evangelical leader says of the behind-the-scenes maneuvering for position in the 2008 race.
A prominent Roman Catholic social conservative says the three Republicans who have raised the most money and have led the polls — former New York Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, Arizona Sen. John McCain and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney — fall short of social conservatives’ expectations, but Mr. Thompson doesn’t. “He’s right on the issues … He’s better than all of the above.”
Both the Protestant and Catholic activist, like other Christian conservatives, spoke to The Times on the condition of anonymity.

Read More Here

Filed under: american politics, Christian, conservative, Fred Thompson, Giuliani, News, Republicans, romney

Falwell Dies at 73

LYNCHBURG, Va. – The Rev. Jerry Falwell, the television evangelist who founded the Moral Majority and used it to mold the religious right into a political force, died Tuesday shortly after being found unconscious in his office at Liberty University. He was 73. Read More Here:::: My Way News

Filed under: Christian, News, Uncategorized

‘Vote for Romney is vote for Satan’

While some evangelical Christians are defending the presidential candidacy of Mormon Mitt Romney from an attack by Al Sharpton, another prominent pastor is going further in his condemnation – saying a vote for the former Massachusetts governor is a vote for Satan.

That’s the word from Bill Keller, host of the Florida-based Live Prayer TV program as well as LivePrayer.com.

“If you vote for Mitt Romney, you are voting for Satan!” he writes in his daily devotional to be sent out to 2.4 million e-mail subscribers tomorrow.

Sharpton, the Democratic Party activist and former presidential candidate, has been widely condemned for singling out Romney’s faith as an issue in the campaign.

“As for the one Mormon running for office, those who really believe in God will defeat him anyways, so don’t worry about that; that’s a temporary situation,” he said.  Read More Here: WND

Filed under: Christian, News

ACLU Criticizes Student Graduation Prayers

The Louisiana American Civil Liberties Union is criticizing a plan to let students lead graduation prayers.

Seniors at the six high schools in Ouachita Parish were given the choice to include a prayer at their ceremonies.

Read more here: cbn.com

Filed under: anti-americanism, Christian, Church and State, Free Speech, liberal agenda, News, Religion, Stop The Aclu

BTW SOMETHING

reagansr2.pngOk so heres the skinny. Ive been extra busy with my buisness outside of The Irate Nation. I have made efforts in recruiting some guest bloggers. And to them I am greatful.
So life has been busy, times have been chaotic and the world is still on fire. Billy Joel may have not started the fire… but the liberal fire starters of last year, today and soon tomorrow haven’t held back one bit.

Never fear loyal TIN fans. There will be further postings here. And the leftards and all their socialist types.. they have yet to feel reality’s gravity.

BTW SOMETHING: Read the rest of this entry »

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